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4605 Pembroke Lake Circle, Suite 302, Virginia Beach, Virginia, United States, 23455

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Have been unable to get refund for HOA auto pay fee made by company after I sold property.
Owed HOA refund from October 2019. Sold property at ***, Sept 2019 but was charged via auto pay for October. I have repeatable sent emails and made phone calls. Advised that I have a credit but have not received actual reimbursement.

Desired Outcome

I want a check for $*** sent to

Property Management Associates Response • Mar 16, 2020

Greetings,

I looked into***s situation and she is correct, there is credit on her account of ***
from an over payment of assessments.

I don't know why the credit was not refunded on a timely basis. My guess it it was a training issue on knowing the procedure to issue a refund. I've spoken to the folks in that department and reviewed the process with them so this wont occur again .

The check has been mailed to the address indicated on the complaint.
Again, I hope you will accept our apologies for the less than stellar service.

Sincerely

Customer Response • Mar 23, 2020

(The consumer indicated he/she ACCEPTED the response from the business.)
Thank you for resolving my complaint.

Property Management Associates (PMA) wrongly charged me *** to replace my water meter. Only *** cents relates to the water meter.
Property Management Associates (PMA) wrongly charged me *** to replace my water meter. Only *** cents relates to the water meter. The other *** is for charges to fix issues with the Home owners Association line that supplies water to my meter. I have disputed this matter to PMA and they refused to addresss this issue and are still billing me for this *** I and all residents of my Condo community pay monthly *** bills to PMA and they are bound by contract to repair community repair issues using such funds. My water meter was replaced on 24 July 2019 which a charge of $602 was billed. The charge of *** was for the 25 July 2019 when a plumber was sent to check leakage from the main line that supplies water to my meter and my neighbors meter. I have made this known to them but PMA has refused to address this issue. I have even called the plumbing company and they also refused to address the issue.
PMA hired a plumbing company tp handle repairs on behalf of customers. PMA is coniving with the plumbing company to come up with bogus charges that PMA pay from the community funds residents contribute every month. This is fraud and this is not fair and they need to be exposed for what they are doing.
I am a medically retired soldier with 100% disability and I live with my family off of my disability so it hurts for a company like PMA to cheat me out of even a penny.
I have no where to turn to so I am asking the Revdex.com to assist in correcting this problem.

Desired Outcome

I am seeking for PMA to adjust the billing and remove the *** that was charged on 25 July 2019 from my bill. This is because that charge was charged for a plumber to come and take a look at a leak that was coming from the community water line that supplies water to my meter. This leak was not from my water meter. My meter was replaced on 24 July 2019 with a new meter which I am being charged

Property Management Associates Response • Aug 27, 2019

Dear Sir,

My name is John ***, and I am the owner of Property Management Associates, I received your complaint and have looked into it. I am sorry that your concern was not brought to my attention before you felt you needed to reach out to the Revdex.com.

I have reviewed the correspondence and actions taken in regards to your report of a water leak and spoke with different individuals involved.
As you know, the Association is run by an elected Board of Directors, comprised of homeowners such as yourself. Management works for the Board of Directors and among other duties is tasked with ensuring that when a repair is needed such as the water meter replacement, the proper party (Either the Association or the homeowner) is billed correctly based on who is responsible for the cost of that item as spelled out in the Association's governing documents.

Based on the information provided to us from the contractor which concluded that the water meter was defective and was the cause of the leak, and per the governing documents is the responsibility of the Homeowner you were billed accordingly. In my review of the documentation, I concur that the water meter was defective and required replacement, however, it was not crystal clear to me if the source of the water flow was on the common pipe side of the meter, or the homeowner side. Without that clarity, I don't believe you can be held responsible for that cost, and it should be applied as a common expense, therefore I have credited your account per your request the *** charge. I am hopeful that you will be satisfied with my assessment and resolution to your complaint.

In all fairness, I do wish to address the inaccuracies and false accusations asserted in your complaint as these embellishments were not only unnecessary for you to receive a satisfactory resolution, are completely false and without any basis of fact. By posting these on the Revdex.com Website which is publically available, only serves to defame my company's reputation and harm our ability to retain and secure future business.

Our records clearly show that we responded swiftly and professionally to your concerns and communicated to you timely throughout the process.
Here is a synopsis of the timeline of events:
7/23 Water leak reported by you via email. We responded to your email within 17 minutes
We dispatched a plumber that afternoon, who evaluated the situation.
7/24 Defective Water meter was replaced
8/14 After receipt of invoices for the work performed by the plumber, we notified you of the amount due on the Rebill
You responded later the same day disputing a portion of the charges
8/15 The Manager responded acknowledging your request and stating she was forwarding it to the Board of Directors for review and decision and we would get back to you once we hear back from the board. This is proper protocol
8/20 Homeowner submits a claim against PMA to Revdex.com
8/27 President of PMA receives Revdex.com complaint, begins review of issue
8/28 Completes assessment of complaint and responds via Revdex.com website

Inaccuracies and false accusations:

At no time did we ever "Refuse to address the issue" in fact the manager clearly communicated to you within 1 day that we have forwarded to the Board for review and decision. This is the proper procedure or handling disputes such as these. The board addresses these concerns at the next board meeting.

Your comments that we were conspired with the plumber to bill bogus charges and that we committed fraud is absolutely false and made without any basis of fact. I can assure you we have no affiliation with any contractor we work with. Our fiduciary duty is to the Association we take our ethics very seriously and it is ludicrous to think that we would risk our license and company's existence on something like that. We work extremely hard for our clients, and care about our communities and the residents in them.

As a retired disabled soldier, I thank you for your service to our country and the sacrifices you and your family have made and I could understand how in the heat of the moment one could assert things that they do not know to be true, however it would be my desired resolution that you please retract the false statements to prevent damage to my companies reputation.

Best regards,

John ***, PCAM

Customer Response • Aug 30, 2019

(The consumer indicated he/she ACCEPTED the response from the business.)
The business stated that they will credit my account with the amount that I requested which is *** and I thank them for this action.

However, only I and my family know the amount of frustration that I endured during two full weeks of water leaking infront of my drive way despite my constant calling and emailing this business to address thios issue.
my water meter was replaced but the additional new water leak that surfaced after my water replacement took two whole weeks. I have small children who could not play infront of my drive way for fear of falling and hurting themselves. I am a disabled veteran with physical and medical issues and had faced a trip and fall risk posed by the water puddle that was present infront of my house.

Failure to provide adequate services of lawn maintenance. PMA is paid to facilitate vendor services and they have been neglectful in providing service
PMA has been sent numerous emails with pictures to show how high the grass in the common grounds and in front of the units were and confirmation of code complaints by the city. PMA has never acknowledged or responded to the emails requesting attention. Snakes have been found in the grass and ticks. It is a health and safety issue.A snake made its way and got into a homeowners kitchen. The HOA association has plenty of money to provide the service and it is a mystery why PMA does not send a lawn care man.We got a letter from the HOA board telling us not to KILL the snakes because its against the law. The tall grass is a habitual offense. As a senior citizen I attempted to weed wake my front but simply could do do it due to my handicap mobility issues which PMA is aware of.

To:***@thinkpma.com,***@inmanstrickler.com,***@gmail.com
Cc:Jenne,***
May 22 at 8:27 AM NO RESPONSE

Good morning,

As you know, I sent an email yesterday about how tall the grass was in the common ground areas.

To:***@thinkpma.com,***@gmail.com
Cc:***@inmanstrickler.com,Jenne,***
May 21 at 1:35 PM
Please cut the grass ASAP. It is high, unsightly and in violation of PETERSBURG codes.

Outrageous! NO RESPONSE

To:***@thinkpma.com,***@thinkpma.com,***@inmanstrickler.com,***@gmail.com,Jenne<... /> Jun 25 at 8:01 AM
This is disgraceful. We pay our association fees for lawn service. NO RESPONSE

To:Jeanne ***,*** T. *** III,Regina ***,Marguerite ***
Cc:Jenna ***,
Jun 28 at 12:24 PM
Good day

I have attempted to cut my property, but could not physically do it. You are aware of my mobility issues due to the fair housing handicap accommodation investigation. I simply cannot physically cut the grass. I am a senior citizen and we have other physically impaired senior citizens in this community. NO RESPONSE

To:Jeanne ***,*** T. *** III,Regina ***
Cc:Jenna ***
Jun 27 at 3:13 PM

Grass knee high today June 27, 2019

This is in front of my unit. (picture) NO RESPONSE

To:Jeanne Lauer,*** T. *** III,Regina ***
Cc:Jenna ***,
Jun 26 at 9:34 PM
Good evening

Due to the non response of my earlier email and habitual violations, again you have been reported to the City of Petersburg for tall grass code violations. Our community appears to be of no regard or respect. XXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX and # XXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Perhaps it's our location or demographics that guides your attention and responses.

A formal complaint appears this is the only way you will cut the grass. It is unfortunate that city resources are continued to be used for your required duty. NO RESPONSE

To:***@thinkpma.com
Cc:***@inmanstrickler.com,***@gmail.com,Jenne,***,***@thinkpma.com
May 23 at 4:06 PM

Get the grass cut!

I'm sure you don't live like this. Ticks in the grass. Why do you think it's ok for us to live like this ? Why? Because were Petersburg? NO RESPONSE

Pictures are always sent to validate the condition. Still NO RESPONSE

I have an email stating due to the numerous emails (not abusive or disrespectful, just numerous) my email address has been blocked by Property Management Associates who I pay *** a month for these types of services.If I don't pay the *** a month they have told me they will sue me through their lawyer.

A lawful execution of a complaint for services does not justify discrimination in blocking my email address where other homeowners have the ability to email requests or complaints.

Property Management website slogan says:

"PMA is a different kind of management company."

At least that is true. It sure is a different kind of management company. Unfortunately not in a good way.

Desired Outcome

CUT THE GRASS! On time! Adhere to the contact for services and have the grass maintained properly.

Property Management Associates Response • Jul 19, 2019

Greetings, while we certainly emphasize with Ms. concern, she indicates that it is PMA's responsibility to manage the landscape vendor, and in many cases that would be true, however as management we work for and at the Board's direction. In this particular community the Board elected to manage the landscape contract themselves, this is not an unusual occurrence because this community had been self-managed for many years and they are used to doing things themselves.
Regarding not responding directly to Ms. emails, unfortunately we are currently engaged in a legal matter with Ms. and we have been advised by legal counsel to block her email address and not to respond to her inquiries. She has been informed of the process for her to report complaints so they may be addressed.
Upon receiving the Revdex.com notice, we did however reach out to the Board and pass the concern along and the Board contacted the vendor. The vendor informed the Board that he was experiencing equipment failure and he would get out there as soon as possible. Since the complaint was filed, it is my understanding he has been out to the site on more than one occasion and will be there again tomorrow.
Ms. was notified of the situation and she acknowledged that he had been out there cutting.

Customer Response • Jul 29, 2019

(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
I do not agree with the response. For easier clarification I will address their response in a paragraph after their statement.

Property Management Associates statement:

"Greetings, while we certainly emphasize with Ms. concern, she indicates that it is PMA's responsibility to manage the landscape vendor, and in many cases that would be true, however as management we work for and at the Board's direction. "

Apparently what PMA is stating that the board has not given them permission to have the grass cut. One important notation. THERE IS NO BOARD. THE HOA BOARD RESIGNED. PMA never notified the community that the board resigned and when. So how could they direct the vendor? In addition PMA has another approved vendor so when the breakdown of the first vendor happened, why didn't they send out the other vendor?
Nobody would accept that an entire community with grass up to their knees (sightings of snakes) has an HOA board that would not tell PMA to get the grass cut. In addition PMA sent me an email that stated the grass had not been cut because the company had equipment problems. So which is it? Equipment problems or a nonexistent board didn't tell them to cut.
see email attached

"In this particular community the Board elected to manage the landscape contract themselves, this is not an unusual occurrence because this community had been self-managed for many years and they are used to doing things themselves. "

The HOA has not been self-managed for the last two years. PMA was hired so the HOA would not have to hire or facilitate services. Just as PMA recommends vendors the board chooses them which is no different if the board tells PMA a choice of a vendor they found on their own. This explanation is misleading because PMA, collects and verifies the insurance, the bond information, issues the 1099 and processes the payments to this vendor. The HOA has no control over these actions. This explanation is a false narrative and a deflection of responsibility.

"Regarding not responding directly to Ms. emails, unfortunately we are currently engaged in a legal matter with Ms. and we have been advised by legal counsel to block her email address and not to respond to her inquiries. "

PMA is involved in a Federal Fair Housing Investigation for failure to provide handicap accommodations for myself. They are involved in a legal matter with Fair Housing which has no bearing requesting services like correcting an error in my account.
PMA indicates they were advised by their legal counsel to violate a homeowners rights because they had the audacity to demand non discrimination for handicap accommodations. They said, Unfortunately like it's a small inconvenience. What it appears to be is retaliation.

The explanation given is false. PMA stated my emails were blocked because I sent them too many. See attached. I sent too mails emails about things such as errors in my assessment account, siding missing needing replacement, grass is knee high etc. That doesn't require any communication about his Fair Housing case. It's about services that are paid for and not provided. PMA's lawyer did send me an email stating that the BOARD wanted my email address blocked. I requested a formal letter from the board to that fact. Not PMA's lawyer. She refused and sent a " early morning " email rant which I questioned if she was under the influence. See attached.

March 16, 2018 12:53 am

I sincerely hope this is not an alcohol induced email at this hour... It looks kinda long. I'm totally on your mind at 1:00 AM it's unsettling. Get some rest. Now I'm going back to bed.

Later a HOA board member stated they never told PMA's lawyer to block my email. See attached. While PMA states they blocked my emails, they continued to email me as late as July19, 2019 with back and forth communication. See attached. So which is it? Am I really blocked or is it PMA is not responsive.

"She has been informed of the process for her to report complaints so they may be addressed."

The complaints were sent in the proper process but still NO RESPONSE.

"Upon receiving the Revdex.com notice, we did however reach out to the Board and pass the concern along and the Board contacted the vendor."

The contact with the vendor first occurred BEFORE the Revdex.com complaint. Other homeowners sent PMA email complaints who are not in a legal issue with PMA. No response. See attached.

"The vendor informed the Board that he was experiencing equipment failure and he would get out there as soon as possible. Since the complaint was filed, it is my understanding he has been out to the site on more than one occasion and will be there again tomorrow."

PMA was notified and sent pictures that the grass was not cut. See attached. As of today July 29, 2019, neighbors are helping each other personally cut their grass.

"Ms. was notified of the situation and she acknowledged that he had been out there cutting."

They cut 20% of one area and left. See attached.

PMA has a lot of excuses as to why they have not facilitated the services needed to the HOA community. However none of them are in credible.

Unresponsive management company that does not fulfil their contractual agreements
PMA has been responsible for our community for over three years now. It's a brand new community so you would think it wouldn't be difficult. However our retaining wall on our pond has collapsed our entrance gate is broken. PMA does not respond timely if ever. They don't pay our landscaper on time ever. They cancel our meetings without more than 30 minutes notice and they hire extremely sketchy companies to do repairs that don't actually need to be done. Our fountain was broken for over a year their company they hired to fix it said we needed to pay *** I found a cheaper company to quote it and we went with them when they came to do the repair they said there was nothing wrong with our fountain it was just missing it's power unit. PMA said the othe rockpany borrowed our power unit I had to threaten police action to get our power unit back.

Desired Outcome

I want PMA to answer for all their sketchy practices

Property Management Associates Response • Dec 26, 2018

Greetings, than you for the opportunity to respond to these allegations.

First and foremost, I take issue with the accuracy of the comments made by this individual as these statements are not only false, but they are highly defamatory, and I strongly request the Revdex.com consider removing them from their public site as by way of this response you are on notice that these statements are false, and leaving them, up on your site could make you party to potential litigation. Knowingly posting in public statements that are blatantly false and misleading, and could do irreparable harm to a company's reputation and ability to retain and secure new business is libelous and is a criminal offense.

To be clear we have not only executed on all facets of our contractual obligations, there have been several occasions where we have gone above our requirements and were entitled to additional compensation, but in an effort to build good customer relationships, we chose not to bill for those extra services. This individual would not be privy to the terms our contract to know what we are contractually obligated to do, so I'm unclear how she could speak with such authority that have not fulfilled contractual obligations.

Unfortunately, she is uninformed and is making broad based statements while leaving out salient details in an effort to discredit my firm because she has an axe to grind.

What she had failed to tell you is that she was running a Day Care business out of her home, which is not allowed per the Association's Covenants, conditions, and Restrictions. This issue was raised by several owners, and we (at the request of the Board) sent her a cease and desist letter in October of 2016. Additionally she fails to tell you that we've had to send her no less than 18 delinquency letters because until recently they have been in arrears almost constantly since 2016. At one point owning the Association almost *** When she talks about not paying the landscaper on time what she doesn't tell you is:
1) It took us several years to get the Board to increase dues to meet the obligations
2) There are several owners who are chronically delinquent which also impacts cash flow (She was one of them)
3) The Board approves contracts above budget without a plan on how to cover the costs.

So yes if bills were paid late it is because the Board didn't do their job, not management. We can only work with what we are given, we advise the Board and then act on their direction.

What is truly interesting is that this person's Husband is the President of the Board of Directors of the Association.

1) This owner, who is not on the Board of Directors, emails constantly about Board Issues which would be inappropriate for us to comment on. It does appear that she is gaining access to Board only information which she should not have access to, which is a matter we have brought up to her husband.

2) We respond to her to her constantly, with information we are allowed to provide, she emails an excessive amount. Expects us to jump out there several times per week when our contract with the Association only provides for one site visit per month, but is in in favor of can paying management for the additional services. Nowhere in our contract are we required to keep a homeowner continually updated on every little issue. We report to the Board of Directors, and we provide our updates to them as required in our contract.

3) She stated when the retaining wall collapsed we didn't respond. Again, not true. We sent someone out to investigate the same day, took pictures, and we contracted the Developer who agreed to have it repaired at no cost even though it was out of warranty. This information was immediately relayed to the Board of Directors.

4) Regarding the Gate, what she fails to mention is that we have had the gate repaired on more that on occasion, and that almost as soon as it is repaired, another person runs into it and breaks it again.

5) The comment about "Sketchy Contractors" is also unfounded and untrue. We only recommend and use fully licensed and insured contractors.
The board selects the contactor from the bids we receive. I don't know what she is talking about regarding "Police Action" but there was never any issue in getting back any of the fountain parts.

At the end of the day, the issues here are that this person moved into a community with deed restrictions, and learned the hard way that she has to abide by the contract she signed and is disgruntled. She is blaming management and looking to take her anger out on us. I'm sorry that she feels this way, but I don't know what if anything we can do to make her understand we are the messenger, and we don't run the association or call the shots. She may get a better understanding if she took the time to attend a meeting.
Thank you for your time and feel free to reach out if you have nay other questions. I look forward to seeing this matter resolved and removed from your website.
Thank you

Customer Response • Jan 02, 2019

(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
First of all PMA has exemplified their unprofessional behavior with their response.
1. Under our bylaws they are not allowed to disclose our finances with anyone except for board members and to use our finances as a way to discredit my compalaint is just a representation of their business practices. I have forwarded their response to my lawyer who should be in contact with them as this is a huge violation.
2. I never recieved a cease and desist from them about a daycare as I do not run a daycare I occasionally watch my friends kids for them which does not constitute as a business
3. The restoring wall which they mentioned they forwarded to the builder is STILL FALLING DOWN AND HAS SPREAD. I'm amazed that they had the nerve to mention this as it is going on a month that the wall supporting our pond is still conllapsing.
4. They have also failed to address why the business they hired told us we needed a costly repair and when we reached out to another business they found that no repair was needed instead the business PMA hired had stole our fountains power unit.
5.I have all my correspondence with PMA saved to demonstrate that they have not responded for 6 months at a time. I have call logs and emails.
6.I am clearly not the only one who has issues with PMA as they already have an F rating on Revdex.com as well as a 1 out of 5 starts on Google and Yelp reviews.

Their unprofessional and illegal behavior is becoming absurd.

After 1 year Property Management Associates has not corrected maintenance issues I brought to the attention to Association Manger.
Mr *** property manager of *** condominium ocean lakes has not visited my property after repeated requests to inspect, repair and replace worn out fence dividing my patio with my neighbor as well as ongoing landscaping issues.

Desired Outcome

I have PMA complete maintenance on property to my satisfaction.

Property Management Associates Response • Jul 03, 2018

Contact Name and Title: John ***, Pres/CEO
Contact Phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX x 103
Contact Email: ***@thinkpma.com
Greetings,
In response to this owner's complaint I'd like to clarify, the owner has been responded to each time by management and repairs have been made to the common element area of his perimeter fence. (See attachment) The condition of his fence is comparable with all the other fences in the development; older but still serviceable. Another point of clarification for the owner is that PMA is not the decision maker in these matters, the Board of Directors is. We are facilitators based on the direction and approval received by the Board of Directors. The manager has been to the site on more than one occasion and has documented the conditions to provide direction to contractors to get the work done that is the responsibility of the Association.
We submitted a work order request to JT *** on 2/26/18 as the owner reported portions of his patio fence being rotten. The contractor was asked to inspect and to see if any slats are rotten and provide estimate. JT *** reported back that a few of the fence pickets were warped, not rotten, and so they were replaced at or about 3/14/18. (See attachment)
In the original complaint the unit owner states that he has made "Repeated Requests to inspect, repair, and replace worn our fence DIVIDING my patio with my neighbors as well as ongoing Landscaping issues". That portion of the fence he references as well as the gate, is per the governing documents of the Association, is the unit owner's responsibility to maintain, repair, and replace. This has been that way since the onset of the community, and as a good owner in the community, he should make sure he is familiar with what falls under the unit owner's responsibilities.
As much as we would like to assist in repairing or replacing the dividing fence, the Board and Management have fiduciary duties that prohibit them from spending Association funds on non-Association (unit owner) items. My understanding is the landscape issues he has are also located inside the patio areas and is a unit owner responsibility as well.
It seems that it is the owner's belief that it is time to replace the fence. This is something he should bring to the Board's attention. Currently the board is not engaging in a fence replacement project but as a normal part of their budget planning process annually reviews these types of items to see if it needs to be done in the upcoming year. As we are now entering into our budget planning season I am sure they will do their due diligence the fences for the whole Community.
In the meantime we have facilitated any required repairs to keep the Common portion of the fence in good serviceable condition (see attachment). As you can see the fence is not falling down nor is it unsightly. Being a common element, the Board decides what is satisfactory, not the unit owner or management for that matter.
This has been communicated to the owner, but he still felt it necessary to file a complaint against us (incorrectly) with the Revdex.com. We hope this response will clear this matter up, and we also hope that the Revdex.com would consider not posting to begin with, or removing erroneous complaints that go against an organization's reputation when they are;
1) Misdirected to the incorrect entity. Although incorrect to begin, the complaint should have been placed against the Association, which is the deciding entity and not PMA who is merely the "messenger" in this issue.

2) Misstated or over stated in what appears to be an attempt to get what they want because they received a response contrary to their wishes, especially when it is easily refuted with documentation.
Our goal is to always try to assist the unit owners in understanding and navigating the process, and we would be happy to try and provide more clarification if necessary to educate the owner on the best way to approach this with the Board.
I hope this response provides the clarity you requested on this situation. Please feel free to let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

John ***, CMCA, AMS, PCAM
President/CEO
Property Management Associates

Customer Response • Jul 09, 2018

(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
I have received conflicting information from the CEO and property manager.
about who is responsible and site visits. I have emails and calls out to the property manager each one says he has sent "his contractor out" never once that I can recall said he went out. yet the CEO writes he has gone out more then once. the property manager sent me emails asking to send pictures which would lead me to believe he has not visited the property.
Is the CEO aware this has been going on for over a year? and it takes a Revdex.com complaint to get a response. I believe the property manager is Not telling the CEO exactly everything..
I dont know who to believe.
If I am correct I am not the only person who contacted the Revdex.com about problems with this management company.

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