Saylor & Sons Processing

Revdex.com:I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID [redacted] , and have determined that this proposed action would not resolve my complaint For your reference, details of the offer I reviewed appear below.Regards, [redacted] ***

The first thing I want to address is the fact that this customer is calling us thievesI will have this customer know that there is no need for us to be stealing anyone’s deer meatWe have people just in our immediate family that are hunters, two of which are youth hunters and can kill does & buck a piece Secondly, I want this customer to know that we do not do this for a livingThe customer stated that it took weeks to get his deer backIt may have taken weeks to get it back because we all work full time jobs and do this on the side for extra money for the Christmas season Thirdly, when we process deer we process them one deer at a time, there is no way that anyone ever gets someone else’s deer and we surely don’t combine deer and split it up between anyone people Fourthly, on the night that the customer came to pick up his deer he never once asked us out in the garage if we took checks or credit card or any other form of payment other than cashWe do not take checks from anyone that we do not know due to not knowing them personallyWe do not have a debit/credit card machine because of the fees that are associated with getting one Fifthly, when the customer called us after leaving our home he said that his deer weighed lbs & in filing his complaint to you all his weight of his deer has gained lbs Sixthly, when the customer called to complain we offered to give him his money back even though we did nothing wrong, but in his complaint to the Revdex.com he failed to mention that Seventhly, we asked the customer if he thought that we were stealing his meat, his response to that was not, but in his complaint he is clearly stating that we did Eighthly, in the customer’s complaint he states “his friend” didn’t receive the amount of deer meat he thought he should haveAs of today we have not received any other complaints from any of our customer’s other than this one Lastly, my father-in-law has been in the meat cutting industry for yearsWe will be glad to provide references as to our credibility and integrity of our processing business Below please see the information that I found on the internet of deer to meat ratio that you should expect to get from your processor, provided that you have an accurate amount of what your deer weight after being field dressed and how the deer was killed and any other factors that may come into play This information will be sent to customer for him to review as well How Much Meat Will Your Deer Yield? Does and bucks from similar age classes yield similar amounts of venisonYou likely won't see big differences in meat yields until you can compare a mature buck with the rest of the meat-pole crowd The typical Northern fawn, which includes "button bucks," weighs about to pounds field dressed, while a healthy doe fawn weighs to pounds field dressedSouthern fawns weigh less - sometimes less than pounds field dressed Yearling bucks, which range from small spikes to basket-racked 10-pointers, typically weigh to pounds Northern does weigh to pounds field dressed For decades, some hunters have relied on chest-girth charts to estimate live weights of deerUnfortunately, such charts are often inaccurate because - among other things - they don't account for fluctuations in the body sizes of bucks before and after the rutMost biologists put no stock in any weight estimates based on chest-girth measurements A hunter can obtain a ball-park estimate of his deer's live weight by multiplying its field-dressed weight by This number came about after comparing it with several chest-girth chartsGranted, this estimate won't pass muster with biologists, but it should be good enough for deer-camp comparisonsFor example, a yearling buck with a field-dressed weight of pounds will have an estimated live weight of pounds Misconceptions By misjudging field-dressed weights of whitetails, hunters often have unrealistic expectations of how much venison they should receive from their butcherMany aspects combine to determine venison yieldsAlthough a neck-shot mature buck can yield a big amount of steaks, chops, hamburger and stew meat, the amount of meat seems minuscule when compared to the meat yield of domestic animals All animals are built a little differentFor hogs, almost everything is used - bacon, hocks, etcA deer has long legs with little meat on them, whereas steers have the same bone structure (but with more meat)It's the muscle and fat that makes them different Although it would be convenient to say a deer's meat yield is equal to percent of its field-dressed weight, it wouldn't be totally accurateA buck's condition plays a large role in how much boneless venison it will yield Meat Yields (In Pounds) Animal Weight [redacted] Meat Waste %Meat Lamb [redacted] 80% Hog 79% Black Angus 73% Holstein Steer 57% Mature Buck 40% *Carcass weightHead, hide and intestines removed **University of Wisconsin research The Equation for Venison Yield Hunters can learn more about their deer and how much venison it will yield by first obtaining an accurate field-dressed weightThis figure helps determine the deer's carcass weight - the deer's body weight minus its head, hide and innardsFrom there, it's easy to calculate how much venison is on the carcass It's important to note that this equation assumes that no part of the deer is lost to waste from tissue damageObviously, a deer suffering bullet - or to a lesser extent, arrow - damage to its back, hams, shoulders or neck will yield substantially less venisonTherefore, it includes calculations for "ideal" meat yield - the maximum amount of meat on a deer with nothing being lost to waste, and a "realistic" meat yield - the amount of meat a hunter can expect to receive after subtracting the pounds of meat lost to bullet/broadhead damage The equation does not account for meat that must be removed after being ruined by stomach contents or overexposure to warm weather Remember, to use the equation, first obtain an accurate field-dressed weight How Much Does it Weigh? Mature white-tailed deer can be heavy, but much of their weight is distributed in non-meat areasHere are some examples of how weight is distributed in Northern deer(live weights in parenthesis) Hide Factor Fawn: (pounds) percent Adult doe: (pounds) percent Adult buck (pounds) percent Bucks: more than pounds percent Bone Factor Fawn: (pounds) percent Adult doe: (pounds) percent Adult buck (pounds) percent Bucks: more than pounds percent Blood Factor Fawn: (pounds) percent Adult doe: (pounds) percent Adult buck (pounds) percent Bucks: more than pounds percent Using this guide as an example, a 180-pound buck would have pounds of hide, pounds of bones and pounds of bloodUnfortunately, it's difficult to estimate the live weight of a deer if it has been field-dressed because the weight of a deer's innards varies depending on its health and diet - Pennsylvania State University, Department of Animal Science and the Pennsylvania Game Commission, Our Thanks to DEER & DEERHUNTING Magazine for the use of this information Carcass weight = Field-dressed weight divided by Ideal boneless venison weight = Carcass weight multiplied by Realistic venison yield = Ideal boneless weight multiplied by Let's say a hunter kills a mature buck, and it weighs pounds field-dressedUsing the above equation, we estimate its carcass will weigh pounds, and it will ideally yield pounds of boneless meatThe deer's realistic meat yield is about pounds Because waste can vary between deer, we suggest using the "realistic" figure as a gaugeIn the above example, the buck's realistic meat yield would range from to poundsA 10-pound difference doesn't seem like much when dealing with a large deer, but it's noticeable when the deer is a fawn or yearling Conclusion In most cases, hunters will likely see little difference in meat yields between the deer they shootDoes and bucks from similar age classes yield similar amounts of venisonIn fact, don't expect to see big differences in your net venison yield unless you're comparing relatively young deer with a big, mature, deep-chested buck

The first thing I want to address is the fact that this customer is calling us thievesI will have this customer know that there is no need for us to be stealing anyone’s deer meatWe have people just in our immediate family that are hunters, two of which are
youth hunters and can kill does & buck a piece
Secondly, I want this customer to know that we do not do this for a livingThe customer stated that it took weeks to get his deer backIt may have taken weeks to get it back because we all work full time jobs and do this on the side for extra money for the Christmas season
Thirdly, when we process deer we process them one deer at a time, there is no way that anyone ever gets someone else’s deer and we surely don’t combine deer and split it up between anyone people
Fourthly, on the night that the customer came to pick up his deer he never once asked us out in the garage if we took checks or credit card or any other form of payment other than cashWe do not take checks from anyone that we do not know due to not knowing them personallyWe do not have a debit/credit card machine because of the fees that are associated with getting one.
Fifthly, when the customer called us after leaving our home he said that his deer weighed lbs & in filing his complaint to you all his weight of his deer has gained lbs.
Sixthly, when the customer called to complain we offered to give him his money back even though we did nothing wrong, but in his complaint to the Revdex.com he failed to mention that
Seventhly, we asked the customer if he thought that we were stealing his meat, his response to that was not, but in his complaint he is clearly stating that we did.
Eighthly, in the customer’s complaint he states “his friend” didn’t receive the amount of deer meat he thought he should haveAs of today we have not received any other complaints from any of our customer’s other than this one.
Lastly, my father-in-law has been in the meat cutting industry for yearsWe will be glad to provide references as to our credibility and integrity of our processing business.
Below please see the information that I found on the internet of deer to meat ratio that you should expect to get from your processor, provided that you have an accurate amount of what your deer weight after being field dressed and how the deer was killed and any other factors that may come into play.
This information will be sent to customer for him to review as well
How Much Meat Will Your Deer Yield?
Does and bucks from similar age classes yield similar amounts of venisonYou likely won't see big differences in meat yields until you can compare a mature buck with the rest of the meat-pole crowd.
The typical Northern fawn, which includes "button bucks," weighs about to pounds field dressed, while a healthy doe fawn weighs to pounds field dressedSouthern fawns weigh less - sometimes less than pounds field dressed
Yearling bucks, which range from small spikes to basket-racked 10-pointers, typically weigh to pounds
Northern does weigh to pounds field dressed
For decades, some hunters have relied on chest-girth charts to estimate live weights of deerUnfortunately, such charts are often inaccurate because - among other things - they don't account for fluctuations in the body sizes of bucks before and after the rutMost biologists put no stock in any weight estimates based on chest-girth measurements
A hunter can obtain a ball-park estimate of his deer's live weight by multiplying its field-dressed weight by This number came about after comparing it with several chest-girth chartsGranted, this estimate won't pass muster with biologists, but it should be good enough for deer-camp comparisonsFor example, a yearling buck with a field-dressed weight of pounds will have an estimated live weight of pounds
Misconceptions
By misjudging field-dressed weights of whitetails, hunters often have unrealistic expectations of how much venison they should receive from their butcherMany aspects combine to determine venison yieldsAlthough a neck-shot mature buck can yield a big amount of steaks, chops, hamburger and stew meat, the amount of meat seems minuscule when compared to the meat yield of domestic animals
All animals are built a little differentFor hogs, almost everything is used - bacon, hocks, etcA deer has long legs with little meat on them, whereas steers have the same bone structure (but with more meat)It's the muscle and fat that makes them different.
Although it would be convenient to say a deer's meat yield is equal to percent of its field-dressed weight, it wouldn't be totally accurateA buck's condition plays a large role in how much boneless venison it will yield
Meat Yields (In Pounds)
Animal
Weight*
Meat
Waste
%Meat
Lamb**
80%
Hog
79%
Black Angus
73%
Holstein Steer
57%
Mature Buck
40%
*Carcass weightHead, hide and intestines removed
**University of Wisconsin research
The Equation for Venison Yield
Hunters can learn more about their deer and how much venison it will yield by first obtaining an accurate field-dressed weightThis figure helps determine the deer's carcass weight - the deer's body weight minus its head, hide and innardsFrom there, it's easy to calculate how much venison is on the carcass
It's important to note that this equation assumes that no part of the deer is lost to waste from tissue damageObviously, a deer suffering bullet - or to a lesser extent, arrow - damage to its back, hams, shoulders or neck will yield substantially less venisonTherefore, it includes calculations for "ideal" meat yield - the maximum amount of meat on a deer with nothing being lost to waste, and a "realistic" meat yield - the amount of meat a hunter can expect to receive after subtracting the pounds of meat lost to bullet/broadhead damage
The equation does not account for meat that must be removed after being ruined by stomach contents or overexposure to warm weather
Remember, to use the equation, first obtain an accurate field-dressed weight.
How Much Does it Weigh?
Mature white-tailed deer can be heavy, but much of their weight is distributed in non-meat areasHere are some examples of how weight is distributed in Northern deer(live weights in parenthesis)
Hide Factor
Fawn: (pounds) percent
Adult doe: (pounds) percent
Adult buck (pounds) percent
Bucks: more than pounds percent
Bone Factor
Fawn: (pounds) percent
Adult doe: (pounds) percent
Adult buck (pounds) percent
Bucks: more than pounds percent
Blood Factor
Fawn: (pounds) percent
Adult doe: (pounds) percent
Adult buck (pounds) percent
Bucks: more than pounds percent
Using this guide as an example, a 180-pound buck would have pounds of hide, pounds of bones and pounds of bloodUnfortunately, it's difficult to estimate the live weight of a deer if it has been field-dressed because the weight of a deer's innards varies depending on its health and diet
- Pennsylvania State University, Department of Animal Science and the Pennsylvania Game Commission,
Our Thanks to DEER & DEERHUNTING Magazine for the use of this information
Carcass weight = Field-dressed weight divided by Ideal boneless venison weight = Carcass weight multiplied by Realistic venison yield = Ideal boneless weight multiplied by Let's say a hunter kills a mature buck, and it weighs pounds field-dressedUsing the above equation, we estimate its carcass will weigh pounds, and it will ideally yield pounds of boneless meatThe deer's realistic meat yield is about pounds
Because waste can vary between deer, we suggest using the "realistic" figure as a gaugeIn the above example, the buck's realistic meat yield would range from to poundsA 10-pound difference doesn't seem like much when dealing with a large deer, but it's noticeable when the deer is a fawn or yearling
Conclusion
In most cases, hunters will likely see little difference in meat yields between the deer they shootDoes and bucks from similar age classes yield similar amounts of venisonIn fact, don't expect to see big differences in your net venison yield unless you're comparing relatively young deer with a big, mature, deep-chested buck

We have been taking deer to Saylor & Sons for over years and have never had any issues with the quantity, quality or the packaging of the meat that we have taken to them We get OUR meat and not someone else’s If we hit the deer right we get more meat, if we blow out a shoulder or flank of course we get less They are an honest and hard working family and we have recommended lots of family and friends to them I don’t’ know about anyone else, but we do not recommend anyone unless we think they will do a great jobPeriod

The first thing I want to address is the fact that this customer is calling us thieves. I will have this customer know that there is no need for us to be stealing anyone’s deer meat. We have 9 people just in our immediate family that are hunters, two of which are youth hunters and can kill 8 does...

& 1 buck a piece.
Secondly, I want this customer to know that we do not do this for a living. The customer stated that it took 2 weeks to get his deer back. It may have taken 2 weeks to get it back because we all work full time jobs and do this on the side for extra money for the Christmas season.
Thirdly, when we process deer we process them one deer at a time, there is no way that anyone ever gets someone else’s deer and we surely don’t combine deer and split it up between anyone 2 people.
Fourthly, on the night that the customer came to pick up his deer he never once asked us out in the garage if we took checks or credit card or any other form of payment other than cash. We do not take checks from anyone that we do not know due to not knowing them personally. We do not have a debit/credit card machine because of the fees that are associated with getting one. 
Fifthly, when the customer called us after leaving our home he said that his deer weighed 130 lbs & in filing his complaint to you all his weight of his deer has gained 4 lbs. 
Sixthly, when the customer called to complain we offered to give him his money back even though we did nothing wrong, but in his complaint to the Revdex.com he failed to mention that.
Seventhly, we asked the customer if he thought that we were stealing his meat, his response to that was not, but in his complaint he is clearly stating that we did. 
Eighthly, in the customer’s complaint he states “his friend” didn’t receive the amount of deer meat he thought he should have. As of today we have not received any other complaints from any of our customer’s other than this one.  
Lastly, my father-in-law has been in the meat cutting industry for 39 years. We will be glad to provide references as to our credibility and integrity of our processing business. 
Below please see the information that I found on the internet of deer to meat ratio that you should expect to get from your processor, provided that you have an accurate amount of what your deer weight after being field dressed and how the deer was killed and any other factors that may come into play. 
This information will be sent to customer for him to review as well.
How Much Meat Will Your Deer Yield?
Does and bucks from similar age classes yield similar amounts of venison. You likely won't see big differences in meat yields until you can compare a mature buck with the rest of the meat-pole crowd. 
The typical Northern fawn, which includes "button bucks," weighs about 55 to 75 pounds field dressed, while a healthy doe fawn weighs 45 to 65 pounds field dressed. Southern fawns weigh less - sometimes less than 30 pounds field dressed.
Yearling bucks, which range from small spikes to basket-racked 10-pointers, typically weigh 105 to 125 pounds.
Northern does weigh 105 to 120 pounds field dressed.
For decades, some hunters have relied on chest-girth charts to estimate live weights of deer. Unfortunately, such charts are often inaccurate because - among other things - they don't account for fluctuations in the body sizes of bucks before and after the rut. Most biologists put no stock in any weight estimates based on chest-girth measurements 
A hunter can obtain a ball-park estimate of his deer's live weight by multiplying its field-dressed weight by 1.28. This number came about after comparing it with several chest-girth charts. Granted, this estimate won't pass muster with biologists, but it should be good enough for deer-camp comparisons. For example, a yearling buck with a field-dressed weight of 125 pounds will have an estimated live weight of 160 pounds.
Misconceptions
By misjudging field-dressed weights of whitetails, hunters often have unrealistic expectations of how much venison they should receive from their butcher. Many aspects combine to determine venison yields. Although a neck-shot mature buck can yield a big amount of steaks, chops, hamburger and stew meat, the amount of meat seems minuscule when compared to the meat yield of domestic animals.
All animals are built a little different. For hogs, almost everything is used - bacon, hocks, etc. A deer has long legs with little meat on them, whereas steers have the same bone structure (but with more meat). It's the muscle and fat that makes them different. 
Although it would be convenient to say a deer's meat yield is equal to 50 percent of its field-dressed weight, it wouldn't be totally accurate. A buck's condition plays a large role in how much boneless venison it will yield.
Meat Yields (In Pounds)
Animal
Weight*
Meat
Waste
%Meat
Lamb**
50
40
10
80%
Hog
240
189
51
79%
Black Angus
600
438
162
73%
Holstein Steer
900
513
387
57%
Mature Buck
180
72
108
40%
*Carcass weight. Head, hide and intestines removed
**University of Wisconsin research
 The Equation for Venison Yield 
Hunters can learn more about their deer and how much venison it will yield by first obtaining an accurate field-dressed weight. This figure helps determine the deer's carcass weight - the deer's body weight minus its head, hide and innards. From there, it's easy to calculate how much venison is on the carcass.
It's important to note that this equation assumes that no part of the deer is lost to waste from tissue damage. Obviously, a deer suffering bullet - or to a lesser extent, arrow - damage to its back, hams, shoulders or neck will yield substantially less venison. Therefore, it includes calculations for "ideal" meat yield - the maximum amount of meat on a deer with nothing being lost to waste, and a "realistic" meat yield - the amount of meat a hunter can expect to receive after subtracting the pounds of meat lost to bullet/broadhead damage.
The equation does not account for meat that must be removed after being ruined by stomach contents or overexposure to warm weather.
Remember, to use the equation, first obtain an accurate field-dressed weight. 
How Much Does it Weigh? 
Mature white-tailed deer can be heavy, but much of their weight is distributed in non-meat areas. Here are some examples of how weight is distributed in Northern deer. (live weights in parenthesis)
Hide Factor
Fawn: (100 pounds) 6.7 percent
Adult doe: (140 pounds) 7.9 percent
Adult buck (160 pounds) 8.7 percent
Bucks: more than 160 pounds 9 percent
Bone Factor
Fawn: (100 pounds) 13.8 percent
Adult doe: (140 pounds) 13 percent
Adult buck (160 pounds) 12.4 percent
Bucks: more than 160 pounds 11.7 percent
Blood Factor
Fawn: (100 pounds) 6 percent
Adult doe: (140 pounds) 5 percent
Adult buck (160 pounds) 5 percent
Bucks: more than 160 pounds 5 percent
Using this guide as an example, a 180-pound buck would have 16.2 pounds of hide, 21.06 pounds of bones and 9 pounds of blood. Unfortunately, it's difficult to estimate the live weight of a deer if it has been field-dressed because the weight of a deer's innards varies depending on its health and diet.
- Pennsylvania State University, Department of Animal Science and the Pennsylvania Game Commission, 1968
Our Thanks to DEER & DEERHUNTING Magazine for the use of this information.
Carcass weight = Field-dressed weight divided by 1.331
Ideal boneless venison weight = Carcass weight multiplied by .67
Realistic venison yield = Ideal boneless weight multiplied by .70
Let's say a hunter kills a mature buck, and it weighs 165 pounds field-dressed. Using the above equation, we estimate its carcass will weigh 124 pounds, and it will ideally yield 83.08 pounds of boneless meat. The deer's realistic meat yield is about 58.15 pounds.
Because waste can vary between deer, we suggest using the "realistic" figure as a gauge. In the above example, the buck's realistic meat yield would range from 58 to 68 pounds. A 10-pound difference doesn't seem like much when dealing with a large deer, but it's noticeable when the deer is a fawn or yearling.
Conclusion
In most cases, hunters will likely see little difference in meat yields between the deer they shoot. Does and bucks from similar age classes yield similar amounts of venison. In fact, don't expect to see big differences in your net venison yield unless you're comparing relatively young deer with a big, mature, deep-chested buck.

Revdex.com:I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID [redacted], and have determined that this proposed action would not resolve my complaint.  For your reference, details of the offer I reviewed appear below.Regards,[redacted]