Toms Military Arms & Gun Shop

The scope I had was a German scope that came off of a German mauser the scope was marked GermanyIf it was marked Germany it is therefore WWanything after that would be marked East Germany or W GermanyThe mounl alone is worth $to $on the internetHe had my card with my name and phone number on itDont know why he waited one year to contact meThe key to this is the word Germany, the word made in the USA or Japan or any country was put on everything after WWScope is sold as is

Revdex.com:
I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID [redacted], and have determined that this does not resolve my complaint.  For your reference, details of the offer I reviewed appear below.
[To assist us in bringing this matter to a close, we would like to know your view on the matter.]
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 Comments to his response to the Revdex.com in caps MESSAGE FROM BUSINESS:The scope I had was a German scope that came off of a 1932 German mauser the scope was marked Germany.  I DO NOT KNOW WHAT RIFLE IT CAME OFF OF.   YES, THE SCOPE IS MARKED GERMANYIf it was marked Germany it is therefore WW2 anything after that would be marked East Germany or W Germany.  INCORRECT - THERE WAS NO TRADE AGREEMENT THAT MANDATED THAT A COUNTRY OF MANUFACTURE BE PUT ON AN ITEM, WITH RESPECT TO EITHER EAST, OR WEST GERMANYThe mounl alone is worth $200 to $250 on the internet.  INCORRECT - THE MOUNT TOO IS OF POST WAR MANUFACTURE, AND HAS ALLEN SCREWS THAT CAME IN MANY YEARS AFTER WWII. I AM NOT SURE IF THE MOUNT SET IS EVEN WORTH $50.00He had my card with my name and phone number on it.  TRUE I GOT HIS CARD, BUT NOT UNTIL AUGUST OF 2015, WHEN I WAS ABLE TO FINALLY CONNECT WITH HIM TO EVEN IDENTIFY WHO HE, OR HIS BUSINESS WAS GIVEN MY PREVIOUS EXPLANATION FOR THE DELAY.Dont know why he waited one year to contact me.  I EXPLAINED TO HIM WHEN I APPROACHED HIM IN AUGUST OF 2015, THAT I DID NOT KNOW WHO HE WAS, OR HAVE HIS BUSINESS NAME, OR EVEN THE NAME OF THE SHOW ORGANIZER TO BE ABLE TO REACH TO DETERMINE HIS IDENTITYThe key to this is the word Germany, the word made in the USA or Japan or any country was put on everything after WW2. INCORRECT, AS THIS IS JUST HIS ASSUMPTION. AGAIN THERE WERE NO TRADE AGREEMENTS MANDATING THAT COUNTRY OF MANUFACTURE BE LABELED ON EVERY ITEM. THIS WAS PURELY A MARKETING TACTIC TO ENHANCE THE PERCEPTION OF QUALITY OF MANUFACTURE. THE KEY IS THE RESPONSE FROM FRANKONIA DATING THE RANGE OF WHEN THIS MODEL SCOPE WAS PRODUCEDScope is sold as is. - I SAW NO SIGNS, NOR WAS IT STATED TO ME AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE, IRREGARDLESS THIS DOES NOT APPLY UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. From: "LARRY" <[redacted]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:15:16 PMSubject: FRANKONIA Response to my Inquiry: Bitte - Baujahr - Information Request - Frankonia rifle scope - Germany 7446 - 6x42/49  / Vorgangsnummer 441276[redacted],It is very unfortunate today that you did not seem to want to listen to me about the source of the information I now have about the scope that you sold to me, actually being the company Frankonia itself, whose name is on the scope from their Cus[redacted]er Service Department located in Germany - Europe.          PLEASE - Read the reply sent to me from Frankonia just below.Yesterday, I went to the Frankonia company's website located in Germany, and I found a link connection to their CS Dept. and I then sent them both pictures, and a physical description of the 7446 rifle scope you sold me, and a complete listing of all markings on it, and this is the reply I received from them this morning.Your thoughts of it having to be stated that for post war production of items produced there, that it has to be labeled West Germany, is not correctI understand that while this is true of some items produced in Germany during the post war period, it is not true for all items made in Germany during that time.If this is what the person that you got the scope from is telling you, and you actually still believe that, then you are 'unintentionally misrepresenting' the scope, but none the less you are 'actually misrepresenting' its production vintage.         The Frankonia scope that you sold to me is PostWar made, not PreWar production.The production vintage information is now established by Frankonia to be a fact.I knew this was going to be problematic from your earlier lack of response and willingness to work with me, and so I thought it best to just get the 'definitive information' right from Frankonia about when it was made, and here is their response both in English and German just below.Again it is very unfortunate that you seem to continue to believe what this person is telling you, instead of even listening to me, but you are both incorrect.You should not have just hung up on me without even listening to me about what I have come to find out about the item you sold to me.PLEASE - Read the reply from Frankonia just below.[redacted]
651-485-6300From: [redacted]To: [redacted]Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:40:01 AMSubject: RE: Bitte - Baujahr - Information Request - Frankonia rifle scope - Germany 7446 - 6x42/49  / Vorgangsnummer 441276Dear Mr. Fryklund,the scope has been manufactured in the end oft the 50's to the beginning of the 60's.The so called "Hochburg" were a wide variety of small workshops and manufacturers in the area around Wetzlar.Who acutally made this scope is therefore untraceable.We suggest, that it is probably either the company Schmidt & Bender or the company Kothe.Das Glas wurde Anfang der 50er Ende der 60iger Jahre gefertigt.Die "Hochburg" waren seinerzeit kleine optische Werkstätten und Fertigungsbetriebe im Raum Wetzlar.Wer genau diese Glas hergestellt hat lässt sich somit nicht mehr feststellen.Eine Option wären Schmidt & Bender oder die Firma Kothe, allerdings ohne dies genau bestimmen zu können.Kind regardsYour Cus[redacted]er Service TeamAlexander OrthFrankonia Handels GmbH & Co. KGSchießhausstraße 10 - 97228 RottendorfBriefadresse: Postfach 9054 - 97090 WürzburgTelefon:  +49 (0) 180 / 64050405Telefax:  +49 (0) 180 / 64050406Email: [email protected]: www.frankonia.de__Handelsregister: AG Würzburg, HRA 509persönl. haftend: Frankonia Verwaltungs GmbH (AG WÜ HRB 103)vertreten durch: Marcus Leber (Sprecher), Jutta Warmbier.Diese E-Mail enthält vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese E-Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser E-Mail ist nicht gestattet.This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received the e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. This is the e-mail inquiry that I sent to Frankonia yesterday along with several pictures of the scope itself - I actuall sent inquiry through a couple places on their website and did find a way to attach picture, but this is the one that they responded to: > English Bitte> > Hello,> > I have a old Frankonia rifle scope that I would like to know information of approximately when it was made - Baujahr.> > It is marked Germany 7446, on the left top side of the vertical adjustment turret.> > The opposite, right side of the vertical adjustment turret is marked 6x42/49.> > The top adjustment screw cap is marked Frankonia in somewhat script letters.> > I would like to know approximately when this scope was made.> > I was told it was Pre-WWII, but I believe it was more likely made quite sometime after that.> > I think it was made under contract by Schmidt-Bender for Frankonia company..?> > I do not see a way to attach any pictures to this e-mail to send to you for closer examination of what it looks like.> > I can if you would like and tell me how to do so.> > Did the description provide enough information for you to assist me in determining when this scope was made?> > Would really appreciate any information that you could supply to me.> > Best regards from Minnesota, USA.> > [redacted]> > E-mail - [redacted]

The scope I had was a German scope that came off of a 1932 German mauser the scope was marked Germany. If it was marked Germany it is therefore WW2 anything after that would be marked East Germany or W Germany. The mounl alone is worth $200 to $250 on the internet. He had my card with my name and...

phone number on it. Dont know why he waited one year to contact me. The key to this is the word Germany, the word made in the USA or Japan or any country was put on everything after WW2. Scope is sold as is.

Review: I proceeded to purchase a firearm from tom and from my understanding it is illegal for him to take the full price of the firearm before I get the product. when I purchased the firearm he asked for the full amount of the handgun. upon finding out that I received a denial for my purchase through the background check he wont refund me the money that I purchased the gun for! I was told that I can legally go and cancel the transaction and get my money back. I dont have the product so why should he still have my money.Desired Settlement: I would like to cancel my transaction of the purchase of the firearm. I never received the firearm nor will he refund me the money. so inturn I would like you guys to see what is going on and why he wont refund me the money! Thank you for your time

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Response:

I have advised him that all he needs to do is file for an appeal through the State of Wisconsin at [redacted]

I had a similar experience to some of the other complaints I have heard about this store. Bottom line, do not ever pay with cash, and do not expect timely service. It took me about a month to get my money back from them after giving them cash to order something specific for me and them not being able to find it. the worst part was the running back and forth to gun shows I did after they kept claiming that they would have the money at the next gun show.

If you do business with this place use a credit card and if you get in this situation, the card company can do a charge back, which costs them money, rather than costing you money running around just to be told "next week".