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Commercial Residential Aluminum & Fabricating

115 Morse Ct, North Venice, Florida, United States, 34275-3636

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Hired to replace pool cage, CRA damaged pool deck pavers upon removal of an existing cage without telling us, and have done nothing to repair.
Hired CRA to replace existing pool cage and repair house gutters on 22 Mar 2019, for $6,308.88, paid half down. Work finally completed 6 Aug 2019 while we were out of the country; paid balance on good faith. Returned form overseas on 27 Aug 2019, and noted significant damage to pool deck pavers where old pool cage was removed by CRA. CRA said nothing about this damage to us. Made multiple attempts starting on 28 Aug to get CRA to make repairs. CRA salesman, Phil M. agreed repairs should be made and promised action multiple times (11 Sep, 16 Oct, 21 Oct). Notified 16 Oct Phil quit. We were promised action by CRA's Carmen S. in the form of a visit the morning of 21 Oct. Waited all day for promised visit by companyno show. Complained by phone and email the next day, 22 Oct. Were told by receptionist, Belinda, their Install Manager, Scott S. would be out on that day (22 Oct). Scott did arrive but did not announce his presence on our property. Wife happened to see someone in the backyard area and approached Scott. He was in the backyard applying simple grout in an attempt to repair damaged pavers. Scott claimed "he saw no one inside" and proceeded to the back (he did not bother to ring the doorbell). Wife questioned Scott about the use of grout to repair the damage as grout is usually used to fill spaces between tiles, not pavers and cement that was damaged. During conversation, stucco was mentioned and CRA's "professional" Scott, ended up googling (using Siri) to determine if stucco is stronger than grout and, thanks to Google, he discovered it was. We later discover through our own research that stucco is basically used to coat or cover less visually appealing construction materials. As with grout, stucco is not used to replace chunks of pavers or cement. In our uninformed opinion, a more durable and aesthetically pleasing solution is needed to adequately replace the cement/concrete/mortar and pavers that were destroyed. We further relayed to Scott (and later to Carmen via phone) our belief that their employees need to be better trained at communicating the truth to their customers, not simply saying what they think the customer wants to hear simply to get an irate customer off their back. Scott admitted the damage was done when the old pool cage was removed, but had no answer as to why we were not told of the damage, nor why repairs were not made. We continued to contact the company weekly until Thanksgiving, even providing the company exact dates we would be in town to work with them. Nothing was done other than an offer to have Scott come out and assess the damage. We declined the offer of their Googling expert and requested someone else. To date, no response despite emailing the president of the company, to include photo evidence of the damage. The only person at the company willing to speak with us has been a receptionist (Riga) who is very sympathetic, noted she has brought this up at staff meetings, yet nothing has been done. Despite repeated phone calls and attempt to get CRA managers to reach out to us, no one has. We continue to request they send a qualified person to complete these repairs, not a "professional" who has to Google fundamental information regarding the durability of basic construction materials. It is now evident they are ignoring our calls and requests for repairs.

Desired Outcome

We want the paver and concrete damage done by CRA properly and promptly repaired to ensure the durability of our pool deck, the new pool cage, and to ensure the repairs are completed in such a manner that the damage is not noticeable. Lastly, we want an apology from the President of the company for ignoring our repeated requests for resolution. CRA's website extols innovation, craftsmanship, service, and value; 'we are with you every step of the way!' We believed that promise when we signed a contract with them. Based on our interaction with them (rather the lack thereof), we deem this as false advertising; we have had to force them to take every step of the way.

Commercial Residential Aluminum & Fabricating Response • Dec 18, 2019

Our sister branch in Ft Myers contracted to replace this cage. While removing this cage pavers that covered up existing supporting angles and post where damaged. In addition some stucco and cement was damaged to the deck during removal too. For this reason CRA has a clause in our contract line item #23 (see attached file) that we are not responsible for any damaged done to decks while or during removal. Despite our contractual obligation which does not hold CRA responsible for this type of damage we would like to help make the *** whole again and repair and fix their deck. We are currently in communication with a paver company to resolve the problem. CRA would like to have a meeting with the paver company and the home owners to ensure a clear line of expectations and timelines. We will be reaching out to the home owner to make these reservations. CRA apologizes for the inconvenience and looks forward to helping correct the damages.

Commercial Residential Aluminum (CRA) did not provide a quality product in a professional workman like manner. Our "new" cage is structurally flawed.
I have an issue with Commercial Residential Aluminum (CRA). They were contracted to construct our new screened enclosure. The product CRA erected is flawed both structurally, and by a lesser degree, cosmetically. When asked to repair the issues, a few were corrected, some made worse, and some just explained away ("ignored"). Two critical connections were addressed by a letter from CRA's on staff engineer. In it he surmised from a picture that the weakened support brackets strengthened the weakened support posts, so all was fine. Our area just had cat 5 hurricane (Dorian) swing by so I'm more than a little concerned he may be overly optimistic.

Basic construction techniques like measuring were often ignored. CRA didn't seem to check they just assembled connections and if placed wrong moved them later. The result is that 5 holes might be drilled where 2 are needed. 16 hole instead of 8. After two post base connections to the concrete patio were "repaired" once firmly attached base plates were now loosely re-installed using undersized fasteners bedded in caulk. Industry standard should have been to use 2 part anchoring epoxy or up-size the fasteners. Poor communication and poor construction ending in a "potentially" unsafe structure. Did it pass county inspection, yes. The connections I refer to are all internal anchor brackets. Post to beam and post to footing / patio connections. Without x-ray vision, the inspector could only check the number of screws against the approved plans. I only know because as the customer I watched some of the construction happen. When I saw internal connections that seemed sloppy, I took a picture. I guess the only way to really know if the cage is built to code now would be to tear it down and start over. When asked if the structure needed to be re-inspected based on what we now know about it's deficiencies, I was told it did not.

Finally there's the incompetence of support staff and management. Missed deadlines, miss cut materials, miss measured layout, unanswered emails and broken promises. Much could have been avoided with better communication and a little training. CRA broke an original promise to include me in the design of my own cage. That suggestion was made by a well intention-ed salesman, but when presented to management, fell on deaf ears. I requested plans before they cut materials, but never received a copy let alone a reply. Most everything is documented in email and photographs.

After 2 attempts I have lost faith in CRA's ability to repair our screened cage. This type of screwed together construction is strongest at first assembly. Once a connection is taken apart then put back together, it is weaker. I don't think CRA should be building anything until they train workers and put processes in place to build these cages correctly. We hire "professionals" hoping they have the proper knowledge and tools to perform specific tasks. Improper building practices are dangerous as the folks in New Orleans just experienced.

Desired Outcome

Before the repairs, I had asked for a $6850.00 reduction that approximated the cost of said repair as a CRA manager explained them to me. His manager chose repair, replace, and re certify (the letter, not inspection). Based on what happened, I asked for 10% off the bill. After all we are being asked to accept a flawed product. An unflawed product would be one put together correctly the first time, period. They had a deadline of midnight on 10/21/2019. As of this filing, they have not responded. The original bill was over $24K. Once I did the math, I now see what our flawed structure might actually be worth. Of the 6 critical connections I witnessed, 5 could be argued as defective. 2 were over-drilled / 2 disassembled then reassembled with the same fasteners / 1 had the holes enlarged over and over until the connection became unstable. Gaps were eventually just caulked as workers became frustrated with their inability to fit it correctly. That's an 83.33% failure rate. If we discount the cost of the cage to cover the real possibility this percentage holds true on all 26 of the critical connections, CRA owes us a $20K reduction in the bill. Even if we assume that only the 5 documented connections are damaged, it comes to $4600.00. The fairest might be to split the difference at $12,300.00K. You wouldn't pay full price at a car dealer for a damaged new car, how different is this?

Commercial Residential Aluminum & Fabricating Response • Oct 23, 2019

CRA has been in business for over 27 years and currently constructs, on average, over 4000 enclosures a year. While we make thousands of customers happy every year, there are some that have complaints. When we get a complaint, we take it very seriously. Below is a description of the job from the contractor's perspective.
Mr. contracted CRA to build a fully custom screen enclosure with an integrated pergola system located at both corners of the enclosure. The enclosure and system were site specific, engineered per the customer's design. Most of the components were hand cut and drilled in our warehouse, but due to the nature of this design, some components needed to be drilled and fitted on site at the time of installation.
After the installation was complete, the home owner contacted CRA with his concerns about the installation and the methods used to complete the installation. A *** manager was dispatched to the job site to address the issues and get a better understanding of the customer's complaint and concerns. It was the decision of CRA to proceed with the final inspection to assure the customer that the enclosure was properly built and designed per engineered specifications and county code requirements. The enclosure passed inspection and the permit was closed. CRA's field manager and branch manager then walked the job with Mr. to address his concerns. Mr. suggested a 50% reduction to his outstanding bill, in lieu of making cosmetic repairs. CRA's company policy is to attempt to make the customer happy by completing the desired repairs, rather than by monetary compensation. When the cosmetic corrections were made, Mr. lowered his demand to a 10% reduction of his outstanding bill. It is CRA's opinion that Mr. intent was to get a perfectly installed enclosure while also reducing his overall expenditure. He has since posted negative reviews across multiple social media platforms. The pictures that Mr. has posted on social media are of old components that have since been replaced. We hope you, the reader, will give CRA the opportunity to build your Florida dreamscape to enjoy for seasons to come. We are confident that you will join the thousands of already satisfied customers.

Customer Response • Oct 24, 2019

(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
"Perfectly installed" enclosure is a fantasy. If that were true, I would be emailing folks for our next project, Dade county hurricane windows, instead of wasting Revdex.com's time here.
Let's go over this again. CRA has been paid in full, so it's not that we can't afford this. We paid by VISA to get the miles, then transferred funds to pay VISA, done. It comes out of a pre-funded construction account from the sale of our Hawaii house. We weren't searching for quarters in the couch the whole time or have a psychic mentally forcing CRA employees to make mistakes.
If CRA couldn't handle the work, they shouldn't have taken the job. Do I have high standards, you bet. You knew that going in. As the customer I have every right to expect exactly what I agreed to pay for. There's done right, and not done right. I enjoy building so I always watch the process in real time. I already explained how it passed inspection, structural deficiencies are hidden inside critical connections. Two of the posted pictures are current condition. The miss-aligned bolts with caulking (current) and the "swiss cheese" post to beam connections (current). Others are to show the quality of CRA's work hidden inside critical connections. That post base bracket w/5 holes was replaced, but how many more like it exist? We had no idea that one existed until the post was replaced and a CRA employee pointed it out to me. Plus it's my assertion that neither post base was repaired back to design standards.
We feel taken advantage of. Sold a dream, then delivered a nightmare. It looks ok except for a couple remaining rough spots, but what concerns us is the internal connections. It remains a defectively built ***. Defective because it was not constructed the way it was designed, period. Cosmetic issues aside, nothing on the plans showed mangled post to beam connections or post to foundation connections. We still have at least 2 of each. They were never replaced or repaired correctly, end of story.
Yes I asked for 50% of the cost of the pergolas, NOT the entire ***. That number was roughly based what the CRA *** managers original assessment was. 2 main post, two lessor posts, a couple inner beams, and possibly some screening needed to be replaced. He spoke of jacking up main beams and taking large sections apart. That sounded like a huge can of worms. I envisioned more damage occurring in an endless chase of new issues. After all I was told several times that the original installation crew was the best CRA had. I should have listened to the employee who came out pre installation and said CRA installers are not good at custom design. I thought if CRA's "best installers" couldn't get it right the first time, I would offer them a way out. I had lost *** they could repair the ***. I only agreed to repairs because those workers would not be performing them. The two managers said they would be doing the work. I gave them a chance. The repairs they ended up doing were not done well with the exception of the downspouts. After CRA completed the limited repairs agreed to, yes I asked for 10% off. Again, it's still a damaged product. It is not now and will never be the cage I agreed to in the plans. When CRA didn't respond to that request I gave honest reviews on sites where homeowners go for such advice. When filling out the Revdex.com complaint form and doing the math on the actual % of compromised connections still in our cage, I wrote that into the settlement. If CRA ownership had even called, I may have settled for an apology. Money is all business people seem to care about, so yes I asked to recover an amount which I feel closer approximates the real value of the product CRA provided. If I wanted to be cheap, I could have purchased CRA's $12K cage and added my own pergola. You can buy nice aluminum pergolas with adjustable louvers via the web for a couple thousand each. I offered to pay your additional $13K because CRA's advertising claims they do custom work. In fact, one could argue all cages are custom since patios come in a variety of custom sizes and shapes. A co-owner even came onsite to check the layout. My install was as easy as they come. New concrete patio with no pool to span. No landscaping obstacles to watch out for, a clean slate. I even removed the old cage, cleaned away all the old caulk and repainted. Yard access was wide open. Just watch for gators and go. Guess the only way to get what I paid for would have been to build it myself.
If everything was repaired as CRA would have us believe, why the need for their engineer to re-certify two post to beam connections. Not repair or replace, re-certify. From a single photo, no site visit, no calculations. His "educated opinion is proof that the most egregiously damaged connections have not been repaired. "The damaged bracket supporting the damaged post is enough". I truly hope other CRA cage owners got a better job. If after 27 years this is truly some of CRA's best work, then I nothing I say will ever matter. Most everything was factory pre-cut and all measurements are in the plans. Workers got behind day 1 when a main beam was found to be "factory cut" short by 100". I was told my workers are paid by the job. It's possible extra mistakes were made rushing to catch up. Nothing was that complex. Pull out a tape measure or carpenters square and we wouldn't be talking. Workers spent more time fixing mistakes than it would have taken to do it right. The result is a flawed product. Is it safe, I guess only time will tell.
And yes, it is the responsibility of owners to share experiences. There is a lot of competition down here and reviews plus word of mouth sites is one way new owners can cull the herd. Of course, others may have a different experience than I did, but everyone deserves to hear both sides and make their own choices.

They used a door handle and lock that cannot be replaced. The handle corroded and broke after 2 years. They gave me a replacement that does not work
We had a new house built in 2014, which included a screen enclose installed by CRA. The first year we experienced the paint blistering, which was caused by the aluminum corroding under the paint. AT the same time the door handle and lock they installed also corroded and fell apart. I called CRA to get them to help. They would not return my phone calls until I called one of the owners. He came to our house and said there was nothing he could about the corrosion and paint chipping. He later delivered an can of spray paint and a replacement handle that would not work on the door they installed. I have left messages to return my calls with Larry H Sales Mgr. and Perry H, owner that the handle does not work and I can't find a replacement on line or through local hardware outlets. They have done nothing to help and I now have a brick holding the door closed.

Desired Outcome

I want the door handle that corroded and fell appart to be replaced by one that works and that can be replaced if it again falls appart. If they can't find a replacement handle, then modify the dood to accept a handle that can be purchased at convential sources.

Commercial Residential Aluminum & Fabricating Response • Apr 27, 2018

This issue was assessed and appropriate action was taken. The service was completed at no cost to the consumer on the 9th of April.
As always we appreciate the opportunity and business.

Customer Response • Apr 27, 2018

CRA reluctantly corrected the problem when I got the builder, that used them for a sub, involved. I would not recommend them.

I signed contract in October for 11-30-17 screen repair. Paid one half in advance. No work done yet and no one will tell me revised schedule.
I signed contract in October for approx $1500 in screen repair work. Given Schedule of November 30th for work to be completed. I paid One half in advance and check has been cashed. In early December I followed to see when work would be done. They said it might be a month and would provide regular updates on reschedule. I have received no updates and no one from company will return my call. Not the salesman, not the sales department, not scheduling, not service, no one.

Desired Outcome

I would like work to be completed by December 31st. This would be a full month late from promise date, but that would be acceptable. I find it very strange that no one from any department will return my calls and that every call goes to voice mail. This unprofessional to say the least

Commercial Residential Aluminum & Fabricating Response

This response was taken verbally by Revdex.com:
We have been in touch with our customer and he is on the schedule for December 26th. We thank you for your business.

Customer Response

(The consumer indicated he/she ACCEPTED the response from the business.)
Completion of the work before January 1st, 2018 was all I asked for.

CRA charged me an additional fee 4 years after the job was supposedly finished and put a lien on my house.
I hired these CRA to expand my lanai and cage it. I made it abundantly clear I wanted a "turn key" job. I didn't want any surprise charges at the end of the project. FOUR YEARS after the job was complete, they inform me that didn't finalize the project with the city and want me to pay for a final survey for an additional $200. I told them it was their responsibility and they put a lien on my house!!!

Desired Outcome

Drop the charge and remove the lien on my house.

Commercial Residential Aluminum & Fabricating Response

While it is regrettable this issue has escalated to this level, we are looking into the matter further to determine our next course of action. We value every customer and the opportunity to serve them.

Customer Response

(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
A certified and licensed General Contractor, should know all necessary cost for engineering, building permits, surveys and building cost. When I asked for a "turn key" price, I was told by their sales rep that this price would cover ALL charges because I have had contractors hike the price before... during or at the end the process. If a contraction did do their job and are aware of such things, their licensed should be suspended. The additional site survey is their responsibility.

Commercial Residential Aluminum & Fabricating Response • May 07, 2018

We have a meeting set to resolve these issues Monday the 7th at 1pm

Customer Response • May 16, 2018

This response was provided verbally to Revdex.com:

We were able to come to a resolution with the assistance of Revdex.com, which was a vital part of this resolution.

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