QuiBids

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/08/19) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. Unfortunately, we are unable to refund your bids as they were used in auction which helps determine the outcome price of the auction. All information pertaining to the refunding of bids can be found in our terms and conditions which are agreed to upon registering on our website. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Initial Consumer Rebuttal /* (3000, 7, 2015/08/20) */
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
QuiBids is incorrect. There are two steps to register. The first is choosing your username/password/email address. The second step is where they get you. The next page you come to is where it says to start bidding just scroll down. There you are REQUIRED to enter your credit card information to proceed and says nothing regarding that you are buying the $60 bid pack other than you can buy one. But once you put in your credit card info to proceed you are automatically charged the $60 but without you realizing it. Upon further investigation of my own you cannot bypass the second step of entering your credit card info and unknowingly purchasing an unwanted $60 bid pack unless you close the web page and go back to the initial QuiBids website login page. This is unethical business practice if you ask me. I will not accept a response from QuiBids unless its a full refund of the $60.
Final Business Response /* (4000, 9, 2015/08/24) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made.

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/10/16) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Initial Consumer Rebuttal /* (3000, 7, 2015/10/16) */
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
While the business states that they have the prices listed on their sign up pages - this is completely false. I would love to concede and say, "you guys are right." But apparently that's a point which we are going to have to disagree on. I am wholly disappointed as I wish they valued their customers as much as other companies do. All of this over just shy of a hundred bucks - comes off as a scam.
Final Business Response /* (4000, 9, 2015/10/20) */
Thank you for your email. Please contact our Compliance Department at 1-855-QUIBIDS so that we may assist you in getting this issue cleared up as quickly as possible. We understand this can be an inconvenience and we do apologize for the interruption. Our security systems are in place to not only protect our site from credit card fraud, but to also ensure the safety and security of your account as well. Thank you and have a great day.

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/06/03) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.

Hello,Thank you for your email. Please contact our Compliance Department at [redacted] so that we may assist you in getting this issue cleared up as quickly as possible. We understand this can be an inconvenience and we do apologize for the interruption. Our security systems are in place to not...

only protect our site from credit card fraud, but to also ensure the safety and security of your account as well. Thank you and have a great day.Sincerely,[redacted]Compliance

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/08/27) */
Thank you for your email. Please contact our Compliance Department at 1-855-QUIBIDS so that we may assist you in getting this issue cleared up as quickly as possible. We understand this can be an inconvenience and we do apologize for the...

interruption. Our security systems are in place to not only protect our site from credit card fraud, but to also ensure the safety and security of your account as well. Thank you and have a great day.

Thank you for your email. Please contact our Compliance Department at 1-855-QUIBIDS so that we may assist you in getting this issue cleared up as quickly as possible. We understand this can be an inconvenience and we do apologize for the interruption. Our security systems are in place to not only protect our site from credit card fraud, but to also ensure the safety and security of your account as well. Thank you and have a great day.

Hello,Thank you for your email.  Unfortunately we are only able to issue a refund for the transaction price.  Please feel free to contact our customer support team in order to set up an exchange, return, or refund.  Thank you and have a great day. Sincerely, [redacted]Compliance

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/10/12) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. Upon signing up for a membership on our site you were asked to read our 'Terms and Conditions' and to check a box acknowledging that you read and understood this article. These terms and conditions clearly state how this site works. In addition, our business model as well as the ins and outs of the website, are easily found in both the 'Help' section and in 'QuiBids 101'. Each bid costs just $0.60. Our most popular bid packages are available by selecting the Buy Bids tab on the main menu bar. These bids are pre-paid and placed in your Bids Account. Each time you place a bid, your Bids Account is deducted one bid. Once a bid is placed the auction price will go up in increments of 1,2,5,10,15, or 20 cents. . A maximum of 20 seconds is also added to the timer every time someone bids. This gives enough time for someone else to make the decision to bid if they're interested. This is similar to the "Going once...Going twice...SOLD!" approach of traditional auctions. If you are the top bidder when the timer reaches zero, you win. You will then pay the ending auction price as well as the cost of shipping. If you do not win, you lose your bids that have been placed; however, we offer a "Buy it Now" feature on all auctions. When you use our "Buy it Now" feature, we subtract the cash value of the bids you've placed (excluding voucher bids) from the value price of the item, and you only have to pay the difference. Let's say you spend 30 bids trying to win a $30 valued product, but you don't win. Your 30 bids are worth $18 (30 x $0.60), so if you choose to use the "Buy It Now', you would pay $12 plus shipping for the product. *Please note that this offer applies to real bids only, and that voucher bids to do not apply to the 'Buy It Now' option. This feature limits the risk in participating in our auctions, as we offer the "Buy It Now" feature for all of our auctions. QuiBids auctions are not gambling as a matter of law. The legal definition of gambling requires that three distinct elements are satisfied: (1) consideration, (2) chance, and (3) prize. Although customers pay to participate in our auctions, they are at no risk of losing their money because of our "Buy it Now" feature. QuiBids auctions do not contain the chance element, because our auctions are customer driven and do not involve randomness. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Initial Consumer Rebuttal /* (3000, 7, 2015/10/12) */
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
It's not a true auction. If you were to go to any other auction and were you to bid on an item and did not win, if they say you didn't win , but that will still be whatever amount you did bid, you'd laugh and say see ya!
That's the difference.
Final Business Response /* (4000, 9, 2015/10/15) */
QuiBids auctions are not gambling as a matter of law. The legal definition of gambling requires that three distinct elements are satisfied: (1) consideration, (2) chance, and (3) prize. Although customers pay to participate in our auctions, they are at no risk of losing their money because of our "Buy it Now" feature. QuiBids auctions do not contain the chance element, because our auctions are customer driven and do not involve randomness.

Hello, Thank you for your email.  Our records show that you have a refund request for $46.20 on 11-23-16.  Please allow 1-3 business days for the funds to post back to your account.  If you have any other questions feel free to contact us.  Thank you and have a great...

day. Sincerely, [redacted]Compliance

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/09/24) */
Thank you for your email. Please contact our Compliance Department at [redacted] so that we may assist you in getting this issue cleared up as quickly as possible. We understand this can be an inconvenience and we do apologize for the...

interruption. Our security systems are in place to not only protect our site from credit card fraud, but to also ensure the safety and security of your account as well. Thank you and have a great day.

Hello,We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon...

registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users.  We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer’s credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made.  Unfortunately, we are unable to refund your bids as they were used in auction which helps determine the outcome price of the auction.  All information pertaining to the refunding of bids can be found in our terms and conditions which are agreed to upon registering on our website.  Please feel free to contact us at [redacted] with any further questions you may have regarding this issue. Thank you and have a wonderful day!Sincerely, [redacted]Compliance

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/11/25) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. Upon signing up for a membership on our site you were asked to read our 'Terms and Conditions' and to check a box acknowledging that you read and understood this article. These terms and conditions clearly state how this site works. In addition, our business model as well as the ins and outs of the website, are easily found in both the 'Help' section and in 'QuiBids 101'. Each bid costs just $0.60. Our most popular bid packages are available by selecting the Buy Bids tab on the main menu bar. These bids are pre-paid and placed in your Bids Account. Each time you place a bid, your Bids Account is deducted one bid. Once a bid is placed the auction price will go up in increments of 1,2,5,10,15, or 20 cents. . A maximum of 20 seconds is also added to the timer every time someone bids. This gives enough time for someone else to make the decision to bid if they're interested. This is similar to the "Going once...Going twice...SOLD!" approach of traditional auctions. If you are the top bidder when the timer reaches zero, you win. You will then pay the ending auction price as well as the cost of shipping. If you do not win, you lose your bids that have been placed; however, we offer a "Buy it Now" feature on all auctions. When you use our "Buy it Now" feature, we subtract the cash value of the bids you've placed (excluding voucher bids) from the value price of the item, and you only have to pay the difference. Let's say you spend 30 bids trying to win a $30 valued product, but you don't win. Your 30 bids are worth $18 (30 x $0.60), so if you choose to use the "Buy It Now', you would pay $12 plus shipping for the product. *Please note that this offer applies to real bids only, and that voucher bids to do not apply to the 'Buy It Now' option. This feature limits the risk in participating in our auctions, as we offer the "Buy It Now" feature for all of our auctions. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Initial Consumer Rebuttal /* (3000, 8, 2015/12/06) */
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
They only explained how the site works not offering a refund foretell guarantee
Final Business Response /* (4000, 10, 2015/12/07) */
We would again like to express that we are sorry to hear that your recent experience while using our site was not ideal. Unfortunately, we are unable to refund your bids as they were used in auction which helps determine the outcome price of the auction. All information pertaining to the refunding of bids can be found in our terms and conditions which are agreed to upon registering on our website.

Hello, Thank you for your email.  Our records show that the requested a refund on 9-20-17.  Please allow 1-2 business days for the funds to post back to your financial institution.  Thank you and have a great day. Sincerely, [redacted]Compliance

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/04/30) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Initial Consumer Rebuttal /* (3000, 7, 2015/05/04) */
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
The price is listed, yes. The fact that you are purchasing it, however, is never mentioned. It is offered as an option, but there is no obvious link back to the main site, nor is there any indication that your credit card is being used at that moment to buy that pack. It is presented as though your card is needed so you can use it on the site later. I was unaware that I had spent any money until two days later when the charge finally appeared on my bank account. By then, the bids had been long since spent.
Final Business Response /* (4000, 9, 2015/05/14) */
We would again like to express that we are sorry to hear that your recent experience while using our site was not ideal. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 6, 2016/01/21) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. Unfortunately, we are unable to refund your bids as they were used in auction which helps determine the outcome price of the auction. All information pertaining to the refunding of bids can be found in our terms and conditions which are agreed to upon registering on our website. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/04/29) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Initial Consumer Rebuttal /* (3000, 7, 2015/05/04) */
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
I simply would like a refund of the amount paid to this company which they are not providing me. I don't understad why this company refuses to give a refund of funds not used on their site.
Final Business Response /* (4000, 9, 2015/05/14) */
We would again like to express that we are sorry to hear that your recent experience while using our site was not ideal. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. I went ahead and put the refund request in. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/11/16) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. Upon signing up for a membership on our site you were asked to read our 'Terms and Conditions' and to check a box acknowledging that you read and understood this article. These terms and conditions clearly state how this site works. In addition, our business model as well as the ins and outs of the website, are easily found in both the 'Help' section and in 'QuiBids 101'. Each bid costs just $0.60. Our most popular bid packages are available by selecting the Buy Bids tab on the main menu bar. These bids are pre-paid and placed in your Bids Account. Each time you place a bid, your Bids Account is deducted one bid. Once a bid is placed the auction price will go up in increments of 1,2,5,10,15, or 20 cents. . A maximum of 20 seconds is also added to the timer every time someone bids. This gives enough time for someone else to make the decision to bid if they're interested. This is similar to the "Going once...Going twice...SOLD!" approach of traditional auctions. If you are the top bidder when the timer reaches zero, you win. You will then pay the ending auction price as well as the cost of shipping. If you do not win, you lose your bids that have been placed; however, we offer a "Buy it Now" feature on all auctions. When you use our "Buy it Now" feature, we subtract the cash value of the bids you've placed (excluding voucher bids) from the value price of the item, and you only have to pay the difference. Let's say you spend 30 bids trying to win a $30 valued product, but you don't win. Your 30 bids are worth $18 (30 x $0.60), so if you choose to use the "Buy It Now', you would pay $12 plus shipping for the product. *Please note that this offer applies to real bids only, and that voucher bids to do not apply to the 'Buy It Now' option. This feature limits the risk in participating in our auctions, as we offer the "Buy It Now" feature for all of our auctions. After reviewing your account it appears that you have requested and received a refund for all unused bids on November 8, 2015 totaling $60.00.
Initial Consumer Rebuttal /* (3000, 7, 2015/11/16) */
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
Yes, a refund was given on Nov 8, 2015. Then on Nov 10, 2015 it was taken back by your company. I am still waiting for the $60.00 to be put back in my bank account. As I said before I never made a bid, or seen anything to advise me that there would be any charge against my credit card.
Final Business Response /* (4000, 9, 2015/11/17) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. After reviewing your account it appears that you have requested and received a refund for all unused bids on November 8, 2015 totaling $60.00.

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/07/29) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is...

that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. Upon signing up for a membership on our site you were asked to read our 'Terms and Conditions' and to check a box acknowledging that you read and understood this article. These terms and conditions clearly state how this site works. In addition, our business model as well as the ins and outs of the website, are easily found in both the 'Help' section and in 'QuiBids 101'. Each bid costs just $0.60. Our most popular bid packages are available by selecting the Buy Bids tab on the main menu bar. These bids are pre-paid and placed in your Bids Account. Each time you place a bid, your Bids Account is deducted one bid. Once a bid is placed the auction price will go up in increments of 1,2,5,10,15, or 20 cents. . A maximum of 20 seconds is also added to the timer every time someone bids. This gives enough time for someone else to make the decision to bid if they're interested. This is similar to the "Going once...Going twice...SOLD!" approach of traditional auctions. If you are the top bidder when the timer reaches zero, you win. You will then pay the ending auction price as well as the cost of shipping. If you do not win, you lose your bids that have been placed; however, we offer a "Buy it Now" feature on all auctions. When you use our "Buy it Now" feature, we subtract the cash value of the bids you've placed (excluding voucher bids) from the value price of the item, and you only have to pay the difference. Let's say you spend 30 bids trying to win a $30 valued product, but you don't win. Your 30 bids are worth $18 (30 x $0.60), so if you choose to use the "Buy It Now', you would pay $12 plus shipping for the product. *Please note that this offer applies to real bids only, and that voucher bids to do not apply to the 'Buy It Now' option. This feature limits the risk in participating in our auctions, as we offer the "Buy It Now" feature for all of our auctions. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Initial Consumer Rebuttal /* (3000, 7, 2015/07/30) */
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
I registered and 100 bids just showed up on m account so I assumed they were free because I was never notified I signed up for a package. I don't care what you say I was never notified that my card was being charged and that the bids were worth money. I'm not dropping this case until I get my money back because this is absolutely ridiculous and an obvious example of deceptive sales practice
Final Business Response /* (4000, 9, 2015/07/31) */
We would again like to express that we are sorry to hear that your recent experience while using our site was not ideal. We attempt to make our website as transparent as possible and our goal is that all of our customers have a clear understanding of how our site works before participating in auctions. Our customers are given the option to enter their credit card information and purchase a bid pack upon registering with our site. Registration itself however, is always free for our users. We would like to point out that it is impossible for our company to charge a customer's credit card without their permission. The purchase price of the starter bid package is listed three different times on our billing page to make sure the customer is aware of the purchase being made. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.

Initial Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2015/06/26) */
We are sorry to hear of your recent experience while using our website. We do our best to ensure fairness to all of our customers and take all complaints very seriously. We would like to apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to...

contact us with any other questions you may have regarding this issue at XXX-XXX-XXXX. Thank you and have a wonderful day.

Complaint: [redacted]
I am rejecting this response because:  I have contacted their customer service seven times and they DO NOT RESPOND.   This site is nothing more than a scam
Sincerely,
[redacted]